So I have people ask me now and again what I use to create my websites. These are people who just want to put together some little site for themselves, so investing in the software, and learning a very robust program that is more than they need, doesn't seem like a good suggestion. So for people who just want to whip something up for themselves, what do you recommend?
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Re: Advice for newbies...
Fri, August 11, 2006 - 1:08 PMI would recommend they stay away from webdesign.
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Fri, August 11, 2006 - 1:56 PMNoted! LOL
I also warn away from FrontPage. ;) -
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Fri, August 11, 2006 - 2:13 PMWarn them away from anything that has a WYSIWYG interface. Im a firm beleiver that these should not be used at all unless you already know what youre doing and know what to avoid and how to rework the usually craptastic code these interfaces generate (that even includes pro level apps). IF they want to do it they shuold force themselves to at minimum the basics of HTML. -
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Fri, August 11, 2006 - 3:55 PMWhy is FrontPage taking heat by name here, and nothing else?
I agree with "stay away from WYSIWYmightG" programs, but this invariably is not the answer they want to hear.
"but i know this person who put their own site together in 2 hours, and OMG , it's beautiful, and they aren't even a professional"...
my answers to these questions revolve around what it is they are trying to accomplish. If they are trying to show off their own creative expression, then it's really no big deal which ever way they decide to go (WYSIWYmightG or otherwise), because no one will get physically hurt and no one will lose money. However, if the point is to make money, or achieve some business objective, the person/business needs to be willing to pay money to have their idea executed *correctly*, or alternately, go and learn the ins and outs of web design and cut their chops on some code.
Also, the person's level of perfectionism plays a large part as to what solution will work best for them, IMO -
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Fri, August 11, 2006 - 4:33 PMWell, the people who are are invariably interested in just putting together a personal site for themselves or a small (non-web related) business. As a dancer, I get a lot of dancers who ask me, and I don't know what to tell them. I adore Dreamweaver and it has done wonders for my personal designing, but I also do a lot of coding by hand (which I learned over many years). I feel that it would be too robust and complex for their level of experience, not to mention an expensive investment for someone who just wants to whip up a small one-off site.
So yes, these people need a WYSIWYG kind of setup, and while I know that makes PixelSlut's blood turn cold to imagine, that is what I am asking about. These people don't have the interest or time to learn HTML. A lot of these people I end up getting work from, and I build them a beautiful site and I get moolah. But for those who don't want to hire a designer, and want something really simple...what do you recommend?
And I only mentioned FrontPage once. I didn't think it was "taking heat"--nobody else said anything that I saw? I started in FrontPage, but the code was ugly ugly messy, and it was always rewriting perfectly good code "to help me". Aw, how thoughtful... -
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Fri, August 11, 2006 - 4:48 PMBut see thats the thing. If they know no html they are going to get jsut as upset with a WYSIWYG editor as if they had jsut gone and learned it anyhow at least if they want something that looks decent. For any editor no matter how good or how bad if you use WYSIWYG at some point your going to have to retouch things uneless you want your site to look like absolute crap. And by the time the fulfill this requirment to get something acceptable they are probably going to have learned enough to hand code html instead of using the editor. So why not skip all the headaches. It takes all of a couple days to learn the rudiments of html and create a basic site and they wont accidentially do something that makes thier page go kaput in certain clients.
I mean think of all the time you spend correcting things generated by WYSIWYG. some of it is "nitpicky" to the layman but alot of it is also essential to getting things to look ok - regardless of your level of want or vision for good visual design.
Thats my 2ยข anyhow... However i here iWeb is pretty tight for lay mac users... pretty simple suff to generat simple things and easy syncing they say. I avent messed with it yet though. ofcourse that dont help the winbox people. IT wouldnt be so bad to convert a few along the way though ;-)
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Re: Advice for newbies...
Fri, February 23, 2007 - 5:30 AMhey there!
as a dancer myself (I've seen you on the ATS tribe, mayhaps?) who also is a Web Designer, when I get the, "how do I design my own simple promotional website??" from another dancer who has no coding/HTML experience, I usually say, "you don't. you hire someone to do the job right." I personally find that there are so many awful dancer websites out that that aren't functional, are horrible looking and detract from the beauty of the dancer and the reason for this is almost 100 percent because they did it themselves without any knowledge.
I hate WYSIWYG programs and I don't offer up any easy "do it yourself" programs... When asked by dancers, "is it really that hard? I mean, it looks really simple, I bet I could do it." I reply, "well, It took me years to learn what I do and I still have so far to go... coding/design is a skill that takes a lot of studying, concentration and time, much like learning to dance."
So, my stance is that. Don't design unless you're a designer. There's a reason many of us have jobs and have studied either on our own or have gone to school/trained for this for years of our lives. WYSIWYG programs aren't going to really add value to their professional dance careers, just make them look slapdash. The only thing I offer up to fellow dancers who want to learn how to code is referencing them to W3 Schools and offering up some books they can study... but I always warn them that it takes a lot of time. The only other thing I suggest is that they contact a message board like Tribe or even a college board to seek out a junior web designer to get a bit of a price break or ask their students if any of them wish to trade web design for classes.
:) Brooke
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Re: Advice for newbies...
Sat, August 12, 2006 - 8:42 AMThere are many things that people would never consider doing themselves and always hire a professional for. Why isn't web design one of these things?
We have started to carry around a print out of this story clientcopia.com/quotes.php for people who say they want to do their own web site for their business.
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Sun, August 13, 2006 - 12:46 AMI guess I look at it this way: if I decided I had to hire someone else to do my pages, I wouldn't be designing pages for others today. You never know when someone might discover a love for what they do. And if they never do, and their pages they insist on designing for themselves just suck forever, they are hurting no one but themselves, yes?
I know most of us started an interest in pages years and years ago, there is still a chance that someone today might discover a new love for it, and who are we to stand in the way?
And if they get some software, try it out, and find it is harder than they thought, then we get the commission later when they hire us to create their pages from now on. :) -
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Sun, August 13, 2006 - 12:24 PMThompson Learning has a great text book with videocd called Creating Web Pages With Html. It's important to know the code (hyper text markup) running behind the editors. I don't have a problem with anyone using whatever they like. I prefer Dreamweaver because of all the integration it has with other programs. Ultimately, the message is the important thing for me. If you sell stuff, make it easy to navigate and read. Amen -
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Fri, August 25, 2006 - 5:36 AMI intended to create a minor website for students to download lessons. I was told it was simple but it would be better for me to learn minor Web conception since it is very expensive to hire someone to do it.
Front page was recommended but I read it is complicated to use.
Is Noma Web creator any easier? Can you recommend something for the real newbie?
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Wed, September 6, 2006 - 11:58 PMtry my prof at
www.geekmanuals.com/
he uses online materials and programs for his students quite effectively
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Sat, September 9, 2006 - 6:28 AMThanks Cowboyangel
I hear you can have people simply download plain material material from an Internet adress. Have you heard about that one?
It would be text material.
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